Social Security Layman’s terms…

Search

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
11,135
Tokens

Reductions Due To Working​

The rules can get a bit complicated, but if you’re younger than full retirement age and you continue to work, your Social Security benefit may be temporarily reduced. Specifically, the SSA will dock your payout by $1 for every $2 you earn above the annual limit, which is $21,240 in 2023.

However, the year you reach full retirement age, the reduction drops to $1 for every $3 you earn above $56,520 (for 2023). After you cross the threshold of full retirement age, there are no more reductions.

This part I am not clear on?
The good news is that if your Social Security is reduced due to your work record, the SSA will adjust your later payments to make up for any money that was taken out. In other words, you don’t “lose” these benefits; they are merely deferred.

any input example will help…..
 

hacheman@therx.com
Staff member
Joined
Jan 2, 2002
Messages
139,221
Tokens
I'm a quite a while from SS skoda, but this does sound confusing

Are you saying it's not as beneficial as it used to be to wait as long as possible?
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
11,135
Tokens
I'm a quite a while from SS skoda, but this does sound confusing

Are you saying it's not as beneficial as it used to be to wait as long as possible?

SS getting it early vs. waiting didn't know there was a cap on earnings till FTA (full retirement age) after taking just thought of needing to live to 77 to get back what I would lose by not taking early. Couple heart attacks early for me. I don't know how this will be applied..

I am not clear on?


The good news is that if your Social Security is reduced due to your work record, the SSA will adjust your later payments to make up for any money that was taken out. In other words, you don’t “lose” these benefits; they are merely deferred.

Wondering if money I paid back for going over cap which is thousands will be returned???

With wage increase it's a no brainer to me Uncle Sam needs to raise cap on earnings...
 

Member
Joined
Jul 16, 2007
Messages
9,697
Tokens
A lot of us are probably doomed by the time we reach social security age.
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
11,135
Tokens
A lot of us are probably doomed by the time we reach social security age.


New policy required before receiving SS! Class on how benefits will affect decisions. You don't lose benefits they deferred?!? Double whammy!
 

Conservatives, Patriots & Huskies return to glory
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Messages
86,892
Tokens
1) Beginning with age 62 and before you attain full retirement age, your earned income is limited. Your benefits are reduced by 50% of whatever you earn over $ 21,000 (indexed every year). So if you earn 30k, your annual social security benefit will be reduced by $ 4,500.

2) Once you reach normal retirement age, 67 or younger depending on the year you were born, there are NO LIMITS on your income. You will receive your full benefit regardless of what you make.
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
11,135
Tokens
1) Beginning with age 62 and before you attain full retirement age, your earned income is limited. Your benefits are reduced by 50% of whatever you earn over $ 21,000 (indexed every year). So if you earn 30k, your annual social security benefit will be reduced by $ 4,500.

2) Once you reach normal retirement age, 67 or younger depending on the year you were born, there are NO LIMITS on your income. You will receive your full benefit regardless of what you make.
got that part but am wondering how exactly it is deferred and does it include the over the income limit having to pay going over the cap. that I payback each year to SS. {$1 for $2 over} They say the money they take is returned after FTA? Any explanation if you could will help. Will get their answer eventually when I go into set repayment again. This is my final year before FTA :hattip:

This part I am not clear on?

The good news is that if your Social Security is reduced due to your work record, the SSA will adjust your later payments to make up for any money that was taken out. In other words, you don’t “lose” these benefits; they are merely deferred.
 

Conservatives, Patriots & Huskies return to glory
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Messages
86,892
Tokens
It makes sense that benefits you never received will be included in your benefits going forward, just like your benefits increase if you delay taking them, but I have no idea what their formula is.

I'm thinking any benefits your entitled to will be recalculated annually on their website. So compare their original projections with their revised projections if you want to make sure nothing slips through the cracks.
 

hacheman@therx.com
Staff member
Joined
Jan 2, 2002
Messages
139,221
Tokens
I have a simple question about social security for you guys since I am clueless

If you already attained your required units at an early age are you good to go, or if you start contributing again later in life will it increase the payout?
 

Conservatives, Patriots & Huskies return to glory
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Messages
86,892
Tokens
Yes and yes

Anyone who wants to see what their benefits are, or what they will be at different ages, or how future earnings will impact their benefits...

Set up an account at SSA.GOV and have at it
 

hacheman@therx.com
Staff member
Joined
Jan 2, 2002
Messages
139,221
Tokens
Yes and yes

Anyone who wants to see what their benefits are, or what they will be at different ages, or how future earnings will impact their benefits...

Set up an account at SSA.GOV and have at it
Yes I have an account there already & have looked at the sliding scale for future ages

But I earned all of my credits before age 30 and haven't had to contribute since

So if I start again for a few years, it will increase the amount for later benefits?
 
Joined
Nov 8, 2012
Messages
11,539
Tokens
I have a simple question about social security for you guys since I am clueless

If you already attained your required units at an early age are you good to go, or if you start contributing again later in life will it increase the payout?
SSA will take your best 30 years of social security wages

I have no clue what the formula is after that
 

Conservatives, Patriots & Huskies return to glory
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Messages
86,892
Tokens
Yes I have an account there already & have looked at the sliding scale for future ages

But I earned all of my credits before age 30 and haven't had to contribute since

So if I start again for a few years, it will increase the amount for later benefits?

I believe it's a two part formula

1) the largest % based on your highest 35 years of earnings

2) a smaller % based on your highest 5 years of earnings

Something like that, and earnings are indexed for inflation too

So yes, in your case, you clearly do not have 35 years of earnings. So any additional earnings will increase your benefit.

On their website, you can see what your benefits will be based on projected future earnings
 

Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2018
Messages
19,251
Tokens
A lot of us are probably doomed by the time we reach social security age.
Could ya at least try 2 be more of an Optimist ?

I'm just saying ?
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
11,135
Tokens

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
11,135
Tokens
Since a person usually does not know exactly how much his or her total earnings will be before the end of a year, benefits are paid based on an estimate.

(My Case.... SS anticipated based on my 2022 earnings that I will go over the cap in 2023 and put a STOP on my checks to prevent overpayments in 2023. After 4 months they will take monies owed from 2022 and Medicare payments due)

BTW.... If the actual earnings are less than estimated and the worker is underpaid, we pay the additional amount due as quickly as possible..

IMO they are telling me I owe my own money to them? Yet, Government continues to borrow from SS to pay themselves and in the next breathe say SS may run out of money soon.... They know SS will never go dry, it's the Governments pockets that are too big


As part of our effort to reduce overpayments, we withhold at least the benefit of one full month when a person estimates that earnings will be more than the allowable amount for the year. This approach is consistent with the law and regulations that permit a total monthly benefit to be withheld until it can be decided that the benefit is due.

After the year is over, if a worker’s actual earnings are more than estimated, we withhold any overpayment from his or her future benefits. Before we withhold those benefits, we notify the beneficiary of the overpayment and the right to appeal if the beneficiary does not agree. If the actual earnings are less than estimated and the worker is underpaid, we pay the additional amount due as quickly as possible.

It is important to estimate earnings accurately. When in doubt, it is better to estimate a higher rather than a lower amount. If, during the year, a person finds that earnings will be different from the previous estimate, he or she should notify us so that benefit payments can be changed
 

Member
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
11,135
Tokens
SS is a sign of older age. Majority of people I can see some didn't care by the interest in this thread like myself or think about how government has the key to everyone's future. I just assumed Social Security would be my blanket. Income from SS is going to help you survive and it can but you won't be living. Some planned like my wife.

I can go on and on but just want to remind those who are considering taking Social Security at age 62 it is not the way if you plan to continue working. Wait till FRA (Full Retirement Age) when you can earn over $56,000 a year!!!!

Reds rebound check out Rally Reds or is it Reds Rally thread :popcorn:
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,118,713
Messages
13,558,612
Members
100,672
Latest member
nhacaihb88help
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com